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JT Moderator	Message Posted: Aug 14, 2010 10:01:01 PM Ignore JT Report Abuse How much mileage loss have you experienced using E10 (10% ethanol) fuel versus pure gasoline? No difference Less than 5% 5% - 10% 10% - 20% 20% - 30% over 30% I can't tell or I have no access to pure gas I've never calculated it or I don't use gasoline Post your thoughts about this poll below.

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How much mileage loss have you experienced using E10 (10% ethanol) fuel versus pure gasoline?
No difference
Less than 5%
5% - 10%
10% - 20%
20% - 30%
over 30%
I can't tell or I have no access to pure gas
I've never calculated it or I don't use gasoline

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Winoscientist Champion Author Maryland Posts:7,926 Points:1,376,210 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 9:51:50 AM Ignore Winoscientist Report Abuse None. My Cornucopia which gets fuel from produce gets as good mileage as gasoline.
genie_racing Champion Author Colorado Posts:6,006 Points:809,780 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 9:11:54 AM Ignore genie_racing Report Abuse Do they even produce "pure" gas any longer? Every pump I have seen has the sticker on it claiming 10% ethanol content. Years back I used to try to avoid those pumps. Can't avoid them anymore.
CaliberMan71 All-Star Author Ohio Posts:519 Points:188,225 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 8:14:02 AM Ignore CaliberMan71 Report Abuse 1st off, the fuel station should have it on the pumps some place, if not you can ask the attendant of the percentage of ethanol. I have used every gas that was in my area, Toledo,Ohio area. GiantEagle for the longest time would brag about being 100% gas. now even they are at 10% ethanol. The best over all mpg's I have gotten has been using Shell gasoline, 87 octane. They use detergents and so forth to help keep mpg's up and your engine clean. I believe that at least for me and My '07' Dodge Caliber and my '09' Dodge Journey ran best on Shell gas. Caliber was a 2.0L 4, and Journey was 3.5L v6.
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,364 Points:2,259,730 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 7:56:33 AM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse I have no way to determine the effect of ethanol - my mileage varies too much by type of driving and season ... besides I never know when I am getting 10% ethanol in my gas
rayk Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,106 Points:1,245,080 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 7:27:47 AM Ignore rayk Report Abuse Pure gas is hard to find in twin cities.
keo Champion Author Colorado Posts:10,261 Points:2,035,815 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 5:53:18 AM Ignore keo Report Abuse none
nyuknyuk49 Champion Author Rhode Island Posts:13,686 Points:2,762,840 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 5:34:04 AM Ignore nyuknyuk49 Report Abuse NO access to pure gas here
Lengas Champion Author Gary Posts:13,555 Points:2,718,750 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 5:16:52 AM Ignore Lengas Report Abuse 10%
Ziggy1962 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:5,756 Points:1,811,660 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 5:03:32 AM Ignore Ziggy1962 Report Abuse No access to pure gas
riceburner1 All-Star Author Tampa Posts:692 Points:56,015 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 5:02:43 AM Ignore riceburner1 Report Abuse Quite frankly, I see no difference and I do keep my mileage data.. HOW HAS HOPE AND CHANGE BEEN WORKING FOR YOU ?? IT IS YOUR TIME TO MAKE CHANGE !!! PLEASE GO OUT AND VOTE IN NOVEMBER 2010.. DON'T LET 20% OF THE PEOPLE MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR EVERYONE.. LETS PUT OUR OWN TERM LIMITS IN !!! [Edited by: riceburner1 at 8/19/2010 7:03:18 AM EST]
pkhdonovan Champion Author Maine Posts:12,011 Points:2,705,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 4:18:06 AM Ignore pkhdonovan Report Abuse I lost about 10% of my mileage using ethanol gas.
Maka'i nui Sophomore Author Austin Posts:212 Points:239,140 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 4:16:19 AM Ignore Maka'i nui Report Abuse We have to subsidize the people who supply ethanol, from the farmers to the dealers because someone in Congress has a buddy that started this all and is getting a kickback. With ethanol we get less miles per gallon resulting in more fuel being burned so how is this making the air cleaner? It isn't. This is mandated because certain people are making money off of it, not because of environmental concerns.
stonesour025 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:276 Points:77,895 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 19, 2010 1:03:18 AM Ignore stonesour025 Report Abuse I'd have no clue where to get "pure" gas, as it's mandated E10 in Minnesota. However, I did notice that we always got 30+ mpg on trips to California, while still going 80 with the A/C on. Of course, it was all highway and I have a 4cyl/2ltr compact sedan. tl;dr - Every station here has E10 so idk.
N9HVP Champion Author Indiana Posts:11,718 Points:2,472,590 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:45:04 PM Ignore N9HVP Report Abuse 5%-10%
RxHugh Champion Author Greensboro Posts:7,612 Points:1,575,910 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:28:53 PM Ignore RxHugh Report Abuse I can't tell or I have no access to pure gas
TomJDriver Champion Author London Posts:1,036 Points:302,340 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:16:15 PM Ignore TomJDriver Report Abuse For toyrunner300, Ducky_NS, northlight, or any other Canadians who either don't know, or don't think they can buy e10 / ethanol, I was curious and got this reply from Shell Canada today: "Shell Bronze gasoline contains up to 10%, Silver contains up to 5%, and V-Power does not contain any ethanol. This currently applies to all provinces and regions."
ACTown Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,349 Points:1,431,395 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:09:51 PM Ignore ACTown Report Abuse My Corolla was getting 38-42 MPG a few years ago, and since the E10 it has dropped to around 34MPG.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,857 Points:1,613,975 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:07:02 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse GasMonc: “This is a bad question because they've been using E10 in most of the pumps for at least 10 years.” That may be true but why does that make it a bad question? Many drivers seek out pure gas and use it exclusively or as much as possible. While Detroit is within the EPA mandate area, there are stations outside of that area that still sell pure gas. Seek them out when you can and reap the benefits.
chui Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,905 Points:2,367,865 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 7:40:56 PM Ignore chui Report Abuse HAVE NEVER USE IT.
cincidap Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,625 Points:721,025 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 7:03:50 PM Ignore cincidap Report Abuse E10 is bad enough. I hope Congress doesn't stick to their plan to mandate E15 next year. Make sure you vote for candidates who oppose it!
hemi63 Rookie Author Houston Posts:1 Points:417,720 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 4:45:13 PM Ignore hemi63 Report Abuse I would say that i have loss about 10-20% of gas.
Bonanza Champion Author Boston Posts:12,093 Points:2,551,980 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 3:29:18 PM Ignore Bonanza Report Abuse I never calculated it
leveit2clever Champion Author Cleveland Posts:7,246 Points:451,635 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 3:23:20 PM Ignore leveit2clever Report Abuse I'm not aware of any mileage loss but I have suffered from memory loss. Just the other day while I was driving I ... uh ... er... ...what was I talking about?
Rafto Champion Author Orange County Posts:1,911 Points:1,084,675 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 3:06:57 PM Ignore Rafto Report Abuse Most pumps in my area, if they acknowledge the use of ethanol, have a sticker that says it MAY contain up to 10% ethanol. So you have no way of knowing exactly how much ethanol you're getting, if any. Plus the last two choices in this poll combine questions that have nothing to do with each other.
zacksnanny Champion Author New Brunswick Posts:1,636 Points:2,203,535 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 2:35:57 PM Ignore zacksnanny Report Abuse I can't tell or I have no access to pure gas
wildredbill Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,913 Points:564,465 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 1:42:50 PM Ignore wildredbill Report Abuse While ethanol burns cleaner than gasoline, it does not burn as efficiently. (It's not as combustible as gas) Test show that we LOSE from 5 to 10% miles/gallon with 10% ethanol than we did with regular gasoline. http://blog.gasbuddy.com/posts/Ethanol-content-in-gasoline-may-increase-update/1715-412760-328.aspx I lose between 1 and 2 miles/gallon using E10
N9HVP Champion Author Indiana Posts:11,718 Points:2,472,590 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 1:11:14 PM Ignore N9HVP Report Abuse 5% - 10%
Naturenut99 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:985 Points:292,400 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 1:10:21 PM Ignore Naturenut99 Report Abuse We use E-10 here all the time (Illinois). About 5% max seems to be what I notice. EPA's numbers suggest 10~20%. I still dont understand why it burns more. They must have it programmed to burn more when it senses ethanol. They have programming for everything else in the car. It has higher octane rating... Our local Ayerco sells the regular without it at a higher price than the plus with it.
SavinOnFuel Champion Author Gary Posts:1,966 Points:1,257,660 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 12:58:13 PM Ignore SavinOnFuel Report Abuse Back to the drawing board with this question......
GasMonc All-Star Author Detroit Posts:907 Points:46,060 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 11:37:54 AM Ignore GasMonc Report Abuse This is a bad question because they've been using E10 in most of the pumps for at least 10 years.
GasMonc All-Star Author Detroit Posts:907 Points:46,060 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 11:36:52 AM Ignore GasMonc Report Abuse "crusade" is full of it. There are no Dodge nitros that report a better than 20mpg average. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList2&make=Dodge&model=Nitro%202WD Why would anyone be so dense to still buy a gas guzzler when just 2 years ago gas prices were $4 and above?
sluggopyle Champion Author North Carolina Posts:23,608 Points:1,075,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 10:22:07 AM Ignore sluggopyle Report Abuse => If this poll is being done by non Oregon residents it's a joke. <= -why?
crusade Rookie Author Oregon Posts:2 Points:140 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 9:05:50 AM Ignore crusade Report Abuse I drive a 2009 Dodge Nitro. Since moving back to Oregon in Dec of 2009 our mileage has dropped from 26mpg to 15mpg. Everyone i know who owns a Dodge reports the roughly the same. Including the local Dodge dealership!!! E10 is hurting consumers. I am sure there is some gain it tax revenues for the state( It's all about the Benjamins baby!!)but that doesn't do much to help our budgets. We need to start a petition to remove the E10 law in Oregon. Unless you want consumers to spend more and pollute more to appease the enviromental lobby.
crusade Rookie Author Oregon Posts:2 Points:140 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 9:00:19 AM Ignore crusade Report Abuse If this poll is being done by non Oregon residents it's a joke.
OKRifle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:10,404 Points:1,810,285 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 8:36:52 AM Ignore OKRifle Report Abuse Poor!
mcsue Rookie Author London Posts:2 Points:215 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 8:35:24 AM Ignore mcsue Report Abuse I do not calculate any loss, don't have access to pure gas.
oobloob Champion Author Baltimore Posts:1,502 Points:1,449,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 8:23:26 AM Ignore oobloob Report Abuse I don't know about mileage loss, but time loss definitely. Every time I get in the car and start out, I pass out and when I awake, I'm at my destination before I left.
n0vyy Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:492 Points:1,384,370 Joined:Oct 2003	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 7:53:12 AM Ignore n0vyy Report Abuse It is always nice when driving to Montana from Minnesota to hit North Dakota. You can buy pure gas there and watch your mileage increase 10 - 11%. When the 10% blend was winter only here in Minnesota, you could track a change in mpg that matched the switch over from 10% blend to pure. But now they made it year round 10% blend by law, so mileage suffers all the time. They argue that it is a pollution reducing move by adding an oxygenate to the fuel (ethanol), but with computer controlled fuel injected cars, the O2 sensor detects the greater % of O2 in the exhaust and richens up the fuel injected into the cylinder to burn that "excess" oxygen, decreasing mileage.
stadlgi Champion Author Akron Posts:2,206 Points:1,321,205 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 6:23:58 AM Ignore stadlgi Report Abuse Can't use the stuff. Would like to, but I somehow just don't see Obama buying me a new truck that would use it. He buys everyone else something but not me.
Lengas Champion Author Gary Posts:13,555 Points:2,718,750 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 5:12:12 AM Ignore Lengas Report Abuse 10%
pkhdonovan Champion Author Maine Posts:12,011 Points:2,705,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 4:05:14 AM Ignore pkhdonovan Report Abuse we should have the option of purchasing plain fuel.
Ziggy1962 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:5,756 Points:1,811,660 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 3:24:19 AM Ignore Ziggy1962 Report Abuse No access to pure gas
RBob Champion Author Portland Posts:3,379 Points:2,348,850 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 12:22:43 AM Ignore RBob Report Abuse Since July 1, 2007 the mandatory blend in Brazil is 25% of anhydrous ethanol and 75% gasoline or E25 blend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
northlight Champion Author Saskatchewan Posts:11,267 Points:1,358,670 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 12:18:21 AM Ignore northlight Report Abuse don't have E10, bad choices for question
RBob Champion Author Portland Posts:3,379 Points:2,348,850 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2010 12:12:04 AM Ignore RBob Report Abuse Bio-diesel is the way to go then you don't have to worry about it! By the way in the 70's we used to buy bottles of ethanol to add to the gas to improve performance and gas mileage and many people still buy little cans of it, under different brand names, to clean out the carb and injectors and remove the moisture in the gas tank. People would swear it was the best thing going...
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,857 Points:1,613,975 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 10:37:08 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse rayk: “only off road has no ethanol in MN.” Why do you think that Ray? Minnesota does not require labeling of ethanol content on gas pumps so there is no way you can tell it is there without testing for it unless you can smell it. Pure-gas.org lists about 50 E0 stations in MN and their lists are typically far from complete.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,857 Points:1,613,975 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 10:11:11 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse eupgas: “I haven't seen any signs at local pumps for 10%” Michigan does not require labeling of ethanol content on gas pumps so there is no way you can tell it is there without testing for it unless you can smell it. Pure-gas.org lists only a couple of E0 stations in MI, though their lists are typically far from complete. [Edited by: jrsva at 8/18/2010 12:11:43 AM EST]
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,857 Points:1,613,975 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 9:48:52 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “When was the last time any gas station sold pure gas? I believe it was in the 70's or 80's.” My word, Dungeon, do you really believe that? Ethanol use had barely started at that time and the mandate came later and only in parts of the US. I use pure gas exclusively and can buy it at many stations in this area.
HiGramma Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,815 Points:445,690 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 9:40:50 PM Ignore HiGramma Report Abuse Shows what I know -- didn't realize there was a mileage loss. At current prices, we should be clamoring for oil refineries to improve our mileage, forget nagging the automakers!
DungeonMaster1 Rookie Author Indiana Posts:15 Points:19,475 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 8:53:39 PM Ignore DungeonMaster1 Report Abuse When was the last time any gas station sold pure gas? I believe it was in the 70's or 80's. [Edited by: DungeonMaster1 at 8/17/2010 10:54:03 PM EST]
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,892 Points:1,919,340 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 6:45:57 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse I just know that my Ford Focus is supposed to get up to 34 miles to a gallon. Is that gasoline or ethanol? I only get 17 to 23 miles to a gallon using gasoline blended with Ethanol and that's city & highway. I don't know where I can buy pure gasoline.
Warbler Rookie Author Saskatchewan Posts:62 Points:131,670 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2010 5:49:09 PM Ignore Warbler Report Abuse Where we live, the gas stations may include up to 10% ethanol, so it is hard to tell. In the past when we used it and knew it was in there, there didn't seem to be a difference.